Curse

Sigil · Oct 07, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Snowman

This isnt about how to combat runners, this is a complaint that runners exist and if they are un-sportsman like!

If you or your team cannot defeat a runner then it is you who is lame, to force a draw is a perfectly acceptable strategy used by sportsmen all over the world... take chess for example..

if your oponent cant check mate you because your in a situation where you could run your peices around the board forever then this is classed as a DRAW. why should one say.. oh its a draw, so I'll just declare you the winner?

Why should a ranger who can run you around the arena for the rest of your life be the one to give up?.. has he lost?.. no... YOU have failed to defeat him! and probably its YOU who has had to concede.

This is about the runners skill, and your lack of skill... nothing to do with sportsmanship at all!

First - there is no 'Draw' in the GW arenas, win or lose only.

Second - Are you saying you play chess with the goal of getting a draw?

Personally, I play to win, but if you like your choices to be lose or draw...

Sagius Truthbarron · Oct 07, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Savio

First off, don't post ingame screennames without the player's permission. Edit the screennames out of the images too.

Secondly, gwg isn't really a threat.

Third, I think this has been discussed time and time again. Here was the last thread on it:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=running+arena

This isn't in the forum guidelines, and the moderators only seem to get on to people who say it in their direct post. Let the moderators do their own job, I've never heard of them get on to anyone about this

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It's so much more advantageous to just leave when you come up against a good runner. Especially when it's just your first or second win with your group.

Snowman · Oct 07, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Diplo

It is when the sole reason for a build is not to take part in combat but to run away with the deliberate intention of causing annoyance and frustration.

I go on every single night to cause annoyance and frustration!!

This is the whole point of PvP game! ... I LOVE causing the enemy greif, any possible way I can find to get them upset and complain.. Anything! I can do to make YOU cry and complain.. Well, I just love it! it only gives me more reason to continue! the easier that’s done the better..

You think this is any different in REAL combat, or in war?.. what do you think is happening in Iraq now.. people who can are running around hiding in the shadows and causing grief and frustration, they know they cant win.. but they still continue because they haven’t been defeated.. and YES they are doing it on PURPOSE :O

the only time your annoyed and frustrated is when you cant win.. grow up, stop crying, get a strategy to defeat them like most people do, I never EVER have problems with these kind of players... to me their strategy is shallow and easily defeated. If not, then I'll applaud them.

Again its not about sportsmanship.. Its competition, and nothing is being done against the rules of this competition,

The only thing un-sportsman like going on here is you people crying and moaning about how you cant defeat this simple strategy and having the cheek to use 'sportsmanship' as a pretence to vent this frustration.

smurfhunter · Oct 07, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I go on every single night to cause annoyance and frustration!!

This is the whole point of PvP game! ... I LOVE causing the enemy greif, any possible way I can find to get them upset and complain.. Anything! I can do to make YOU cry and complain.. Well, I just love it! it only gives me more reason to continue! the easier that’s done the better..

You think this is any different in REAL combat, or in war?.. what do you think is happening in Iraq now.. people who can are running around hiding in the shadows and causing grief and frustration, they know they cant win.. but they still continue because they haven’t been defeated.. and YES they are doing it on PURPOSE :O

the only time your annoyed and frustrated is when you cant win.. grow up, stop crying, get a strategy to defeat them like most people do, I never EVER have problems with these kind of players... to me their strategy is shallow and easily defeated. If not, then I'll applaud them.

Again its not about sportsmanship.. Its competition, and nothing is being done against the rules of this competition,

The only thing un-sportsman like going on here is you people crying and moaning about how you cant defeat this simple strategy and having the cheek to use 'sportsmanship' as a pretence to vent this frustration.

did you just compare yourself with an iraqi insurgent?

...

aaanyway the point is not all classes (by class i mean ranger, monk etc) even *have* the capabilities to catch runners. like take warriors. their only snare would be to 'cripple' people, so if they use swords then its all well and good. what if you dont? i dont see you having any adrenaline at all when you run, so knockdowns and things like axe rake just arent happening.

or monks. i dont see how any kind of monk can catch any kind of runner unless they invest heavily in a secondary class like mesmers or something.

and are you like sadistic or something? i mean i see how it can be funny maybe the first time. or the second time. but... you are either a very creepy man or... your just talking

and its not like the running strategy is "easily countered" when you get a random team. its not, and its actually really lame. i dont get the point of causing 'grief and frustration' in what is (to me anyway) a GAME.

you need to grow up, gw isnt 'war'

Diplo · Oct 07, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Snowman

You think this is any different in REAL combat, or in war?.. what do you think is happening in Iraq now.. people who can are running around hiding in the shadows and causing grief and frustration, they know they cant win.. but they still continue because they haven’t been defeated.. and YES they are doing it on PURPOSE :O

Erm, it's a game, that is meant to be fun. It's not a realistic simulation of war and to even compare an online game with what is happening in Iraq is crass in the extreme. Perhaps your idea of fun is annoying people by acting like a prat but I think most people enjoy competing against each other, not chasing each other around in circles for an hour. If you want a "running around in a circle" simulator I suggest you go in your back garden and leave internet gaming to people who can differentiate reality from fantasy.

aron searle · Oct 07, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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This is the whole point of PvP game! ... I LOVE causing the enemy greif, any possible way I can find to get them upset and complain.. Anything! I can do to make YOU cry and complain.. Well, I just love it! it only gives me more reason to continue! the easier that’s done the better..

I seriosly cant tell if this is a windup.

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You think this is any different in REAL combat, or in war?.. what do you think is happening in Iraq now.. people who can are running around hiding in the shadows and causing grief and frustration, they know they cant win.. but they still continue because they haven’t been defeated.. and YES they are doing it on PURPOSE :O

well people dont actually DIE for starters, ITS NOT REAL. I still cant tell if your serios, and if you are you have problems, go see a shrink.

and i aint kidding.

Charcoal Ann · Oct 07, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

well i recently spent half an hour chasing a very annoying ranger around. i now take Cry of Frustration. that screws em.
I've had runners on my team as well. i usually tell them to die like a man. face you foes! Know thy enemies face! Demonstrate honour and purpose in your actions! Be a true warrior! Show thine enemies the face that will ultimately destroy them! for you WILL triumph one day.

Raumoheru · Oct 07, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

PvP is first and foremost, combat. Any sort of combat sport like martial arts and boxing would not tolerate behavior like this.

Theres a difference between being defensive and running away.

There is no honor in this. >.<

this is a videogame, there is no honor in it either way. i like to go to team arenas and run. its fun to make a bet with friends to see who can stay alive the longest. it is not unsportsmanlike. running is a sport.

i repeat, this is a videogame, it isnt real. different people have different veiws of what is fun. if you dont like it, deal with it. dont need to get all pissed off and act like your life is over because you cant catch up to a person in a game.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 07, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

ther iraq comparison is just terrible as an analogy.

that is most certainly not what they are doing in iraq. they are killing people using guerilla warfare. if they were just running around there wouldnt be a war there.

running like a punk to frustrate people and guerilla warfare are not the same thing, and its not a viable strategy against a worthy opponent.

the only reason this 'strat' even 'works' is becasue people dont bring a counter for it.

what he is trying to refer to here is referenced in the art of war, but not the running part; just the pissing the enemy off to the point the make an error. if he thinks its funny to frustrate people for fun thats lovely. it doesent work on intelligent people anyway.

as a parting thought:

if i were in random arenas, and someone was running and my team couldnt stop them i would leave my team anyway for not thinking ahead. the only way i dont bring a stopping spell/skill or hexes is when im healing monk. even a prot monk could stop a runner.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 07, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Raumoheru

this is a videogame, there is no honor in it either way.

there is as much honor to it as each player brings to it.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Oct 07, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

There seems to be several different yet related issues here that people are fighting back and forth over about and most times theyre not even fighting over the same issue.

Yes, you should bring a counter to stop runners. I think most people do have one and don't have a problem with that. But the people that keep repeating the same tired line of "bring a counter" don't seem to realize that there are DEDICATED runners that aren't easy to bring down if you only have one counter.

Yes, you should just leave if you encounter such runners. Most times I have no problem with killing runners since I do have a speed buff myself. But for those times where it's a running/snaring/barb trapping ranger, I have no hope of catching the guy so I just leave after 5 minutes of trying.

The issue is that it isnt fun. Fighting someone is fun. Chasing after someone is not. Having a player on your team that actually fights is useful. Having a teammate that does nothing but run is useless. He helps no one but himself. I thought this was a team based game.

And if you really think the point of PVP is to cause other players grief and you're comparing it to the Iraqi war, you really need more human contact...or less of it, depending the types of people you're in contact with currently.

PieXags · Oct 07, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Christ ANOTHER one of these, how'd I miss this one? Bring a slow down, damnit. It's the goddamn team arenas, if you don't want to get screwed by a runner bring some slow down or something 'eh? All in all though, it's the fault of the GW PvP system, everything is tiny arena style battles (even in tombs, just more groups), and it doesn't make it difficult for one guy to ruin a fight.

But as far as I'm concerned, not being able to take down a runner is the same as not being able to take down a smite team or something like that. Just another build you can't beat, next time bring something that can.

heist23 · Oct 07, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

piexags has a point...the running build is a so simple, that people overlook it and forget to bring a snare of some sort. for now, the answer is just to bring hamstring if you're a warrior, any sort of water spell that causes slow-down if you're an elementalist, crippling shot or pin down if you're a ranger, imagined burden or crippling anguish (and many others, i'd guess) if you're a mesmer. if you're a necromancer, i have no idea. monks...well, you're kind of screwed seeing as there aren't any sort of speed buffs or debuffs in their lines.

running is an exploit and is being heavily abused, in my opinion. i'm tired of finding a group of 10-year old w/mos running around in a couple damned circles cause they think they're funny. that pisses me off more than anything else that anyone can do.

i hope i never meet you in the arenas, snowman. something tells me that i could be more productive doing homework, or studying for my finals....

(hm, this also brings me to another train of thought. people like this could also be driving others off the arenas...just a thought.)

Vermilion Okeanos · Oct 07, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

If one know how to cut corners... then that one wouldn't even need a running or snare skill to handle such situation.

But obviously, snare and running skill are nice... although I usually don't carry them =/

When you chase, the best thing to do is not just click and chase... you should manuever your own character making shortcut, not starring into their butt.

Teufel Eldritch · Oct 07, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

there is as much honor to it as each player brings to it.

I would even go on to say that there should be honor in everything a person does. Whether it be real life or in-game. Honor is not something you put on & take off like a coat. It is something that you have inside you as a person.

If you have no honor in a video game then you have no honor outside a video game. The soul, the mind, the spirit, the heart, the whatever that makes a person a person is the same whether they be in-game or not.

Tyroie · Oct 07, 2005, 11:41 PM // 23:41

I have two opinions. One, is that -anything- that can be done in a video game is a viable tactic, because we can't have referees to call fouls. On that note, it's the game's fault, in a way.

Secondly is that, yeah. People who go out of their ways to accomplish nothing else but to A) Kill themselves, or B) Just not die, are indeed jerks. However, neither a runner nor a chaser has won a match - neither one should feel obligated to leave. It simply becomes a waiting game, and I think you'll find that most people are very impatient.

Sometimes I play these 'waiting games', sometimes not, but I almost consider them a part of PVP now, though fortunately they are very occasional. I have won a couple by just standing there while the other person whacks away at me though - stand perfectly still, don't say anything, and only use the skills you need to use to keep yourself alive. After around 10 minutes of watching them just attack you, attack them, and hope they've gone AFK. This has worked for me a couple times. If it doesn't work, try again 10 minutes later.

But yeah. Any time you enter a 4 vs 4, you do kinda have to accept that that's a possibility and just be ready to either leave, or wait them out.

Vlad Bane · Oct 08, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

The GW community is just a reflection of our r/l ones. Some wake up and wonder how they can make someones life miserable, they lie, cheat, steal, destroy, others work go home cook dinner and some are so stupid they defy belief. Don't be surprised who you come into contact with in GW thats the human race for you, some are good and some are bad.
Annoying but true.

banishd · Oct 08, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

haha natures <3

anyways

to the o.p.

stop whining
and bring a snare
Your fault going into arenas without a snare

Eet GnomeSmasher · Oct 08, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by banishd

haha natures <3

anyways

to the o.p.

stop whining
and bring a snare
Your fault going into arenas without a snare

Did we really need YET another "stop whining bring a snare" generic reply? At least think of your own original flame.

Medion · Oct 08, 2005, 08:38 AM // 08:38

You all are talking about rangers screwing some1 else his game, but what u don`t seem to realise is that we all do it all the time.

I am a ranger(<<no running ranger) myself, and I would love to get into a team with some qualities and get through the first 2 rounds in tombs.
But as a ranger, I have so little chance of even getting in a team, that I will probably never get through 2nd round. And I don`t hear you saying that you are screwing some1 else his game, but you actually are for always saying that rangers suck<< meaning that they won`t get invited in any group anymore if u post it enough times.
I really stopped trying getting in a good tombs team, as it doesn`t work anyway.
Another example is leaving during a battle/mission(and don`t tell me you have never done that, cause 99% of the people here have<including me>).
The team then misses some1 causing them to fail the mission.

And I totally agree that running is a strategy. I mean, I am not complaining that I can`t beat an invinceble W/Mo, << he or she just had a better build then i had, so its my mistake.
And did I ever hear so much people complaining that they are instantly killed by smiters or anything like that? Don`t think so.

And about the honor... I don`t really know about that one. I mean that u guys are saying that running is dishonourable, I just call it smart.

Any solutions to this problem which A-net could put in??
-Disable running in PvP<<why not disable smiting prayers in PvP then?
-Give every proffesion running skills<<bad idea, skills are in my opinion meant for specific proffessions, and you would just spoil even more the proffesion of ranger/warrior.